Well me and imskel and KingPin and Sappem have all been talking i'm going to reserve this Spot for Nihilum's GHQ for ideas and what we will be paying. i will be posting up the offers as soon as Imskel post up the price


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<13@Sappem> lo J
12[8:36pm] WarriorZ[Nihilum] (WarriorZ@C06FE3.F3A5E4.C3C3B1.603B67) has joined. 12«114 people12»
<13@Sappem> lo Warriorz
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> what
00<04{NM}Jason> hello
12[8:37pm] Darthas (DSGiles101@KPsN-c4f3e1f8.ar.comcast.net) has joined. 12«115 people12»
<13@Sappem> right first things first, since Nihlium should set an example, i have decided to double ur monthly fees for Guild Housing,
00<04{NM}Jason> one more officers is on and there he is
<14Darthas> *waves
00<04{NM}Jason> O_O
<13@Sappem> of course this is negotiable via bribery
<13@KingPin> lol
00<04{NM}Jason> LOL how bout a Monument Decated to Sappem ?
<13@Sappem> sure
<14Darthas> lol
<13@KingPin> ok pipe down
00<04{NM}Jason> Done !
<13@Sappem> keep me sweet and ur housing will have curtains, make me sad and a tornado will hit it
<13@KingPin> now we are here to discuss guild HQ for nihilum
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> lol
<13@KingPin> The way this will work is
00<04{NM}Jason> alright
<13@KingPin> ask us question and we will do out best to answer them
<13@KingPin> or get back to youASAP
<13@KingPin> nihilum wants an exotic HQ
<13@KingPin> which from the looks of it is the size of a city
<13@KingPin> not a small city
<13@Sappem> i still say give them a tent
<13@KingPin> but a damn city
<13@KingPin> its gonna cost you.
<13@KingPin> simple as that
00<04{NM}Jason> of Course
<13@KingPin> currently rate is 3/1 forum/DGA rupees.
<13@KingPin> the rate for standard HQ is 15K forum rupees
<13@KingPin> so the way this will work is
<13@KingPin> you(nihilum) will make an offer to us(DGA)
<13@KingPin> and we shall negotiate.
00<04{NM}Jason> Alright
<13@Sappem> serious offer i might add, not a joke one, or prices increase
<13@KingPin> you can come up with things other than the default payment methods.
<13@KingPin> but like he said make sure they are worth it
<13@Sappem> he has a name ya know
<13@KingPin> so now I will open the floor to nihilum reps
<13@KingPin> ask questions/ make comments
00<04{NM}Jason> i would Like to Start off with a base of 8000 DGA coins and 500 DGA Coin up keep per Month,
<14Darthas> what kind of 'features' will this exotic HQ have?
00<04{NM}Jason> my question is that considered a serious offier
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> u mean rupee
00<04{NM}Jason> yea Rupees
00<04{NM}Jason> Sorry
<13@Sappem> was gonna say DGA coins, sweet my toons get a boost
<13@KingPin> lol
00<04{NM}Jason> Sorry it was a Miss Type
<13@Sappem> isnt there a "first offer first accepted" rule we added?
<13@KingPin> the HQ will come with certain vendors/gameobjects that can be requested as part of negotiation or will be made available later.
<13@Sappem> the vendor to add to that, could/would come with the likes of mats/potions/consumables on a timed basis
<13@Sappem> to help the guild with professions and raids
<14Darthas> mm nice
<13@KingPin> so jason you are offering 3000 base and 500 upkeep on top of the regular HQ?
<13@Sappem> 8000
<13@Sappem> not 3
<13@Sappem> nvm
<13@Sappem> i got an excuse ive been working > >
<14Darthas> that seems reasonable, but will there be more events to compensate for the rupee amount?
00<04{NM}Jason> yes Kingpin
<13@Sappem> thats negotiable
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> yes rupees in that amount are heard to get now since 1coin=50 rupees now
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> hard^
<13@KingPin> you are basing your talks on DGA rupees only
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> yes
00<04{NM}Jason> yes
<13@Sappem> dont forget u can use the forums
<13@KingPin> I cant be overly concerned about why your guild wishes to use one of the three formats only
00<04{NM}Jason> True but i've already talked to Nihilum, Most of em dont like using the Forums :-/
<13@KingPin> that is a nihilum problem from where I sit
00<04{NM}Jason> So it wouldent work for us to use the forums Rupees
<13@Sappem> im in agreement with KP there (always a first time)
<13@Sappem> how u raise the rent isnt our issue, its your guilds
<14Darthas> i wish i could use the forums but for some reason i get an error msg everytime i try to go to 1 of the forums
00<04{NM}Jason> wate one of three options ? what are the options ?
<13@Sappem> Forum Rupees/DGA Rupees/Donations
<13@Sappem> base HQ is 15k Forum Rupees/5k DGA Rupees or $100 Donation
<13@KingPin> darthas I am willing to help you anyway way I can
<14Darthas> well i wish i could figure out what the problem is but for some reason i cant really figure it out :/
00<04{NM}Jason> KingPin Sappem can we pay the base price and take off the monthly Fee with a donation of $50 USD ?
<13@KingPin> well PM me after this is over and tell me the error
<14Darthas> kk
00<04{NM}Jason> meaning pay 8000 DGA Rupees and make a 50 buck donation ?
<13@Sappem> we will get back to you on that
00<04{NM}Jason> alright because if my guild saw there was no Monthly fee on that place we could do it in a Heart beat
<13@Sappem> Jason there will always be a monthly rent
00<04{NM}Jason> :sigh: alright
<13@Sappem> and if ur late in payment, u will know about it (works out some evil tricks to ensure it stays regular)
<14Darthas> id say that becuz of the monthly fee, most guilds wont do this.. sadly most guilds arn't as active as NIH, so expecting that they would pay a monthly fee would kind of be hard for them.. at least, thats my thoughts on it
<13@KingPin> jason we are willing to make consideration towards those who pay a monthly upkeep
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> i would say 1500 forum rupees a month
00<04{NM}Jason> humm
00<04{NM}Jason> not a bad idea using Forum Rupees for up keep
<13@KingPin> we never discouraged that
<14Darthas> mm that might get more people interested in the forums as well.
12[8:58pm] Artanix (die@Artanix.Den.Staff) has joined. 12«116 people12»
00<04{NM}Jason> hello Artanix, were going over the Nihilum HQ
00<04{NM}Jason> KP sappem another Nihilum Officer
<14Artanix> ah i see
<13@KingPin> well darthas the rate of 3/1 stands
<13@KingPin> u can mix and match your payments
<13@KingPin> u can ofset your upkeep with a higher base pay.
00<04{NM}Jason> Humm Cool
<13@KingPin> remmeber this is a negotiation.
<13@KingPin> make sap an offer he cant refuse
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> lol
<13@Sappem> <rubs hands>
<14Darthas> i understand KP im just looking at it not as a NIH member, but as a player.
<13@Sappem> Darthas a "normal player" wont get access to a top end HQ with a vendor to help the guild in it.
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> lol
00<04{NM}Jason> well 8000 DGA Rupees and 1000 DGA Forum Rupees with a 400 DGA Rupee or 1500 Forum rupee Monthly up keep, thats our First Serious officer : for the Guild HQ a Guild Bank Auntioneer Repair Vendor and a Professions Vendor
<14Darthas> i understand that, but i also see the fact that some of my other alts are in other guilds and they arn't nearly as active in game as NIH is. so im just saying that most guilds probly wont get one of the HQ's. thats all im trying to say
00<04{NM}Jason> thats the offer for the Exotic area
<13@Sappem> Jason isnt asking for a normal HQ tho, he wants exotic, hence the price incrase
<14Darthas> that sounds like something that we can keep up with jason
00<04{NM}Jason> yea, this place isent a Normal run of the mill boat, this is a Secure one of a Kina place
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> could i get a port
00<04{NM}Jason> ??
<13@Sappem> Jason give me a minute whilst i think about it
00<04{NM}Jason> kk
00<04{NM}Jason> sorry the ?? was to WarriorZ
<13@Sappem> yeh i just ignore sentences that contain "can" "i" "get" "a" and "port"
00<04{NM}Jason> lol
<14Darthas> lol
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> lol
<13@Sappem> thats a good offer jason but im going to counter it
00<04{NM}Jason> alright
<13@Sappem> 8000 DGA Rupees and 1750 Forum Rupees, with 400 DGA Rupees or 2800 Forum Rupees
<13@Sappem> of course KP will also get to vote on that counter offer but hes a kitten usually and will do as i tell him
00<04{NM}Jason> Give me a second
00<04{NM}Jason> Art Dart War, i think thats a Good offer, do you guys have anything to say ?
<14Darthas> i like the offer
<13@Sappem> kp is away eating food as per usual. he will give his reply to it shortly
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> humm
00<04{NM}Jason> kk
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> i like it
12[9:09pm] Burger (Meetme@KPsN-5c5b8357.orcon.net.nz) has joined. 12«117 people12»
<14Burger> Sup.
00<04{NM}Jason> hello Burger
<14Darthas> but jason, we are going to have to start offering the guild more incentive to 'donate' ruppes though.. but thats not reall KP or sappem's problem, its strictly NIH's
<13@Sappem> i will stress that the vendor will be time based, (as in the items wont be available 24/7) to stop guild members buying it in bulk and flooding the market
<14Artanix> Good offer
00<04{NM}Jason> Burger the current offer on the table is [9:06pm] <@Sappem> 8000 DGA Rupees and 1750 Forum Rupees, with 400 DGA Rupees or 2800 Forum Rupees
<13@Sappem> the vendor contents are negotiable within reason tho
00<04{NM}Jason> kk
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> i agree
<13@Sappem> if u ask for t6 on the vendor, well u already know what my reply will be
<14Burger> what's the with for?
<13@Sappem> rhymes with Luck and Foff
<14Burger> duck cough?
<13@Sappem> maybe
<14Burger> Anyways, I can't donate forum rupees with a negative amount xD
00<04{NM}Jason> lol
<13@KingPin> noone has neg amounts anymore
<13@Sappem> as has been said, how u raise the rupees isnt mine or KPs concern, thats down to you be it forum/ingame or donations
<14Burger> Oh?
00<04{NM}Jason> alright Burger what do you think of the offer
<13@Sappem> yeh Burger it was changed, if u go negative we just delete the gear off your character
<13@KingPin> take your time guys
<14Burger> Hmmm
<14Burger> Well
<14Burger> First off
<14Burger> I wanna know what the with mean
<14Burger> s*
<13@Sappem> With is monthly upkeep
<14Burger> Ahhh
<14Burger> Well IMO, I liked that old 300 amount, seeing as rupees aren't the easiest to come by cause of the er thingy ma jiggy.
<14Burger> Uhm.
<13@Sappem> J i will give u till tomorrow to decide, quick afk coffee 1 min
<14Burger> The coin : rupee change
<14Burger> But 400 sounds fair for monthly
00<04{NM}Jason> i'm ready to offer a Counter Counter offer : 8000 DGA Rupees and 1750 Forum Rupees, with 300 DGA Rupees or 2400 Forum Rupees
00<04{NM}Jason> with the Option to Combine the Monthly Payments for the Guild HQ
<14Darthas> mmm thats a great idea
00<04{NM}Jason> also, with the Guild HQ i would liek to see
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<13@KingPin> uhuh?
00<04{NM}Jason> a Professions Vendor Bank Auntioneer Guild Bank one of each type of Mining vain random Herb pop ups Throne and Seeting and entertanement options to be figured out on a one on one bases with the Controling GM
<14Burger> And a strippers pole + light for me
<14Burger> Cause, the sexy needs to be shown off
<14Burger> xDDDDD
00<04{NM}Jason> that too
<14Darthas> >.>
00<04{NM}Jason> oh and a hat
00<04{NM}Jason> sorry X the hat
00<04{NM}Jason> MT
<13@KingPin> well you can iron that out with my associate.
<14Burger> I has many hats
<14Burger> xD
<13@Sappem> 300dga monthly is rejected, 400 only on that or the 2800 monthly
<13@Sappem> 400/2800 is a fair price for what ur asking
00<04{NM}Jason> alright 400/2800. but remember the option to Combine the Monthly payments from all three types .
<13@Sappem> as was said earlier J, how u pay doesnt matter, as long as final payment matches the months worth
00<04{NM}Jason>
00<04{NM}Jason> deal
<13@Sappem> the 8k DGA/1750Forums will need to be paid upfront before its even opened
<13@Sappem> you would also need to give us time to prepare it
00<04{NM}Jason> alright
<13@Sappem> since sadly i havent mastered the art of pulling an entire HQ outta my ass in one go, it needs preparation
<13@KingPin> their HQ is preset
<14Darthas> lol
<13@KingPin> just needs coords added to the DB table for warp
<13@Sappem> i meant the vnedor n such
<14Burger> ....I stil lwant my stripped pole
<14Burger> stripper*
<13@Sappem> keep asking and i might turn u into a female human so u will be the stripper
<14Burger> OH
00<04{NM}Jason> lol
<14Burger> Speaking of which
<14Burger> Is it possible to turn a character into another race etc?
<13@Sappem> possible yes, will it happen, no
00<04{NM}Jason> lol
<14Darthas> jeeze burger...
<14Burger> Blarg, cause I hate mus as a ud xD
<13@Sappem> i neevr understood how ud can bleed
00<04{NM}Jason> alright are we at an agreement ?
<13@Sappem> in theory yes jason, the minor details like a vendor etc will need to be hammered out on a per request
00<04{NM}Jason> kk
<13@Sappem> as i said, im not willing to add a vendor that people can buy in bulk, mainly due to all it takes is 1 greedy person and the server economy gets flooded
<14Darthas> id agree with that
00<04{NM}Jason> Cool downs is a Good thing with maybe a Limit of 5 per item ?
<14Burger> What things would the vendor sell?
<13@Sappem> any items on a vendor will be time stamped, so once a set amount has been bought, it will be on timer till its re-purchasable
<13@Sappem> that also needs to be decided burger
00<04{NM}Jason> kk
<13@Sappem> it can be mats for professions, consumables for raids etc
<13@Sappem> my own personal suggestion would be enchant mats, as pretty much all in endgame guild need top enchants
<14Burger> *cough* kael legendaries *cough*
<13@Sappem> burger remember the "human woman" bit ?
<14Burger> Yeah, yeah, i know, duck cough
<14Burger> >.>
<14Burger> Do it, I dares you!
00<04{NM}Jason> ...
00<04{NM}Jason> alright than we'll come up with 2k more DGA rupees
<13@Sappem> also id like to add the vendor fees for now will be waived as a gesture of goodwill
00<04{NM}Jason> Sappem Good Form ! thank you from me and all of Nihilum
<14Darthas> thats nice of ya
<13@Sappem> but how you use the vendor will be down to your guild
00<04{NM}Jason> Now how will all the Nihilum members be getting to our HQ ?
<13@Sappem> if i start getting msgs "omg such n such bought all the void spheres now i cant buy them for my other toon" the vendor will be restricted
<14Burger> Duh, we dance naked on gm isle for 3 minutes 42 seconds
<13@KingPin> you will use a new warp point
<13@KingPin> ghq
00<04{NM}Jason> Sweet !
<13@KingPin> it will require a pendant and will have a cooldown shared with other warp points
<13@KingPin> pendants are a responsibility of the guild.
00<04{NM}Jason> another Question can a Non Moving game object be Spawned Such as a Throne Like the one in Org or UnderCity ?
<13@Sappem> yes
<14Darthas> so we can restrict who recieves these pendants within the guild?
<13@Sappem> Darthas who has access to the guild HQ is for u to decide, if members dont have pendants they cant access it
<13@KingPin> well the guild leaders will give them out.
<14Darthas> ah ic
00<04{NM}Jason> alright
<14Darthas> awesome
<13@Sappem> best example to give is BT, cant access it without medallion, unless ur me
00<04{NM}Jason> humm make my Guild members do a quest to get it
00<04{NM}Jason> Hummmmm
<13@Sappem> yeh kill Jason
<14Burger> did that last bounty hunt *cough*
00<04{NM}Jason> i wonder if a NPC can look at the Guild ID and Olny allow them access to the quest
<13@Sappem> i accidentally killed him once by mistake when ppl wouldnt listen
00<04{NM}Jason> yea that was fun
<13@Sappem> Jason we wont be adding a quest for it, other events can be negotiated, but to start off, its pendant base/warp only
<13@Sappem> yeh it was fun seeing half of stv die in the press of a button
<14Burger> So good old lance armstrong or whatever is gonna be deleted?
<13@Sappem> i even managed to kill the guards in BB< and i was at the arena
<13@KingPin> lance gordon is hardcoded and will not take your guild to the HQ
00<04{NM}Jason> alright
00<04{NM}Jason> i think all the bases have been covered right Nihilum ?
<14Darthas> i think so
<13@Sappem> Jason if i may add
<13@Sappem> you have my personal assurance that any queries/questions/complaints about the HQ, i will deal with, you have known me long enough to know id sort it asap
<14WarriorZ[Nihilum]> im back lol
00<04{NM}Jason> Thank you Sappem
<13@Sappem> any interal Nihl issues about the HQ tho, please deal with yourself, its not my concern or KPs of any internal conflict, you however can bring it up to me, if you cant resolve it