honor works fine mangos. retail wow may have the link built in but I dont get weekly server patches from blizzard if anyone does please let me know (sic). shack is an ok server but in terms of worth, it is absolutely worthless to me. i run den to learn, which means editing/changing C++/Mysql and by association php, shack offers none of that. you cant be blizzlike and be edited at the same time. either case I dont like wow the game so "blizzlike" is an absolutely retarded thing for me to aspire to. does this mean im shutting the shack down? not entirely, im no more shutting it down today than I was 3 weeks ago. I have always said shack is a stopgap thing, only put up at a time when den was down for a bit during updates.