Well... All I can say is this.... IF KP were to start offering players free admin on the Shack then you would see the population BOOM on it. I know that would never happen but its true, alot of you people arent interested in working for something. You are all in the need of "Instant gratifaction" hence why you avoid the Shack until the Den is down, I think it should stay becuase no matter what the population of the Den is.... The Shack has a steady stream of devote followers. I myself like both servers just for the simple reason of.... If I am playing on the Shack and I get my ass STOMPED by something and if I am upset.... I go into the Den and kill about 30 of what ever killed me. Now I know alot of people dont like the idea of having to devote time and patience to things ( I thank the society for that ) but.... Just becuase you dont have the time and patience doesnt mean that others dont either. ONe other thing you all dont seem to realize... If KP see's a few good sound poeple doing good on the Shack by helping others and maintaining the rules.... Trust me.... KP will start not giving away admin but test people with certain powers (LIke admin talk and the like) to help police the server. So I think it should stay becuase not everyone likes having everything given to them on a silver platter. Ohhhh and KP, if your reading this.... Please make a Shack Forum, would be greatly appreciated.