it was mostly because i had already put alota time into the guild, i understand its just a game but for someone who has spent time creating a website and trying to keep the guild from falling apart even when Ironside left the first time and gave me his account and guild ya know its just like first getting kicked in the nuts and than dirt kicked in your face. I dont know. all i know is its hard when you have burned so many Bridges to stay on a server when you know no one will invite you to raid because.... well someone in there guild hates you. thats how i see it thats my thinking. see ya and may all your loot be epic !